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We’ll hear stories from individuals who have found solace, strength, and inspiration in the embrace of the natural world. So if you’re someone who feels a deep kinship with nature, or if you’re curious about the transformative power it holds for highly sensitive people, you’re in the right place. Let’s embark on this journey together, and may it lead us to a deeper understanding of ourselves and the world around us. Lisa Lewis 00:03:04 Welcome to Sensitive and Nature, the podcast that explores the intersection of personal growth, emotional well-being and the sensitive side of life. I’m your host, Lisa Lewis, and today we have an incredibly inspiring guest with us. Carolyn Mabee is an influential life and leadership coach who has spent over four decades guiding extraordinary individuals to unlock their fullest potential. Carolyn works with both young adults and seasoned professionals, helping them transform their mindset from amateur to professional in the game of life. Her philosophy of radical responsibility is a game changer, and today we’re diving into how this approach can help you take charge of your life, your business, and your future. So get ready to be inspired. Welcome to the show, Carolyn. Carolyn Mahboubi 00:03:57 Thank you. Excited to be here. Thank you. Lisa Lewis 00:04:00 Yes. And I just want to ask, before we get started, do you find yourself a highly sensitive person or not? And if you do or not, if you could share a little story about that. Carolyn Mahboubi 00:04:16 The truth is, I used to think that I was highly sensitive because, you know, enough times as a child, you hear, oh, you’re so emotional, you know, you’re so sensitive. Carolyn Mahboubi 00:04:29 Don’t be so sensitive. And you start thinking, well, there’s something at least, at the least. At worst, there’s something wrong with you, and at least you are highly sensitive. So I grew up thinking that I was highly sensitive. But in the last few years, where there’s really a lot of science and evidence behind this, this, You know this way of describing people as highly sensitive. I’ve realized that, oh, no, it’s not just about being emotional or emotionally intelligent or having a lot of feelings. There are people in the world that are truly highly sensitive in so many ways that it can be difficult for them to live in this world, that, that, that we live in. And I would not classify myself based on that description as highly sensitive. Lisa Lewis 00:05:28 Okay. Do you have any family members that are highly sensitive, or do you coach people that you may feel or think are highly sensitive? Carolyn Mahboubi 00:05:38 Yeah, certainly the highly sensitive are hidden all amongst us. And my sister is highly sensitive. Carolyn Mahboubi 00:05:44 I mean, her experience of life is very different than mine. you know, everything from sounds and sights and smells all the way to her level of empathy, the way she feels. other people’s pain is is on a whole other level. So I’m here. I’m inviting people who think they’re sensitive to really compare themselves to others who are highly sensitive. And I think you get a sense of, you know, where you fall on that sensitivity spectrum. And yes, I do have clients who I could tell almost right off the bat or highly sensitive. Lisa Lewis 00:06:29 Okay. And what what shows you or tells you that they’re highly sensitive. What do you notice? Carolyn Mahboubi 00:06:36 You have to when you’re coaching, you have to be incredibly present. I practice presence based coaching, which is really not what people think. Coaching is to tell people what to do or consult or advise, but it is creating such a fierce presence for yourself and the client that you’re able to hold them in this container that allows for incredible trust and and wisdom, you know, ultimately their own higher teacher to surface. Carolyn Mahboubi 00:07:10 So when you are in that container that is so present, you see signs a person doesn’t even have to tell you they’re highly sensitive. You’ll say something and you’ll see something flash across their eyes, or, you know, you see them cringe a little bit, or their shoulder goes up a little bit and I’m paying attention to that. And I can tell, oh, wow, okay, I need to slow it down a little bit with this person because they are receiving, whatever is going on inside this session, they’re receiving it at a higher frequency than, than Others. Does that make sense? Lisa Lewis 00:07:50 It makes a lot of sense, especially if you’re highly sensitive. That makes a lot of sense because I do feel, you are at a or we are at a living, existing on a different frequency, of life. And that’s because it’s part of we’re wired that way. And as part of our personality trait to be, on the perimeter, keeping everyone safe. And so we have that more, sensitivity to subtleties. Lisa Lewis 00:08:23 And, we feel more like that, which can set us on edge or have that sense of overwhelm or overstimulated. So working with that, and I guess dealing with that in your life every day if, being overstimulated or overwhelmed. So coming back to a state of calmness and the body. I want to come to. Which is leading me to the question of like, radical responsibility and I guess. How do you apply that to, like, being a highly sensitive person and accepting or taking radical responsibility of yourself? Because I work with people in therapy and they may come in and they’re not feeling good about themselves, and it’s like it’s our responsibility to change the way we feel about ourselves. And so is there a process that goes through, like, I first I got to like, accept who I am right now or take responsibility, that radical responsibility or radical acceptance of who I am so I can transform to who I want to become. Does that making sense to you, Carolyn? Carolyn Mahboubi 00:09:41 It is. And you know, I can share my experience, but with the caveat that I think a highly sensitive client works best with a highly sensitive therapist like yourself or a highly sensitive coach. Carolyn Mahboubi 00:09:58 And. And why? Because, you know, when you’re on the same frequency, you have this intuitive understanding of the pace necessary for this client, the you know what? It’s going to take the language that’s necessary. And it’s not about coddling the client. It really isn’t. But it’s about using a language and a method that lands. So my sister, for example, that I was talking about, she’s also a therapist, and she does very, very well with highly sensitive clients. And, you know, it’s more of an effort for me, Lisa. It doesn’t come as naturally to me. Lisa Lewis 00:10:46 And that’s okay too. It sounds like that you know, you know who you work best with. Carolyn Mahboubi 00:10:53 Exactly. But this concept of radical responsibility at the end of the day I think applies to every single one of us, regardless of where we are on the sensitivity spectrum. There is no way that we can move forward with our lives, especially as women. But, you know, all of us that we can move forward in a way that’s purposeful, that’s goal oriented, that allows us to really feel like we’ve stepped into our power if we are not. Carolyn Mahboubi 00:11:23 First and foremost, as you said, radically accepting ourselves and then moving into what I call radical responsibility not a concept I’ve created, but one that I’ve really, owned and used in my own life, continue to use in my own life, and is a pillar of my coaching, you know, so that yes, you’re right, it is. The world is unfair. There’s a lot of pain, you know, there’s a lot of input, an external input output that is, is distracting and can take up your mind and, and hijack your heart. And you’re still responsible for finding the ways that work for you to be fully responsible for your next steps. Lisa Lewis 00:12:16 I love that. I love that message. So tell us, how did you become who you are today? Where did this all start? Carolyn Mahboubi 00:12:26 So, you know, I was in the most insensitive, industry of all, arguably luxury fashion for over three decades. I, I opened, I opened my first business, which was bringing Gianni Versace to the United States in 1982 and opened a flagship for him on Rodeo Drive in Beverly Hills. Carolyn Mahboubi 00:12:55 And from there it was an ongoing I mean, it just went, you know, how you get into something and who I mean, who at 16 knows, you know, people say, oh, I knew it. I was passionate about this. Trust me, I coach so many young people. It’s not about passion. It’s not about purpose. So often you just get into something and then you grow within it. And that was my story for 30 years. I was a fashion executive for Hermes. Then he sent Lauren and Bulgari and Gucci. And so, you know, my life kind of just got on this professional path, and, and took a life of its own without me really thinking about it. But like happens to so many of us in our 40s, sometimes early 50s, and sometime within that period of time, we we look at the second half of our lives and we’re like, is this is this it? Is this what I’m going to be doing for the rest of my life? And that’s the point I reached in, in, I would say, my early 40s, where I just had this deep anxiety and this deep sense that what I was doing wasn’t going to work, for another whole second half of my life. Carolyn Mahboubi 00:14:26 Does that make sense, Lisa? Lisa Lewis 00:14:28 That makes a lot of sense. Yes. Carolyn Mahboubi 00:14:31 And I think that what happens to many of us in that, you know, when, if, when we reach that place energetically Is. It’s like that. The inside of us, which is not that interested me, starts to meet the outside world, which picks up on that energy that we’re not as passionate as all in playing full out like we used to. And and we kind of hit a wall, you know, some of us get fired, some of us just, you know, stay in the same job and don’t don’t really improve. And that’s where I found myself, at, I would say, the end of my fashion career, looking for something new, but not really sure what I was qualified to do. I didn’t know anything else. Thinking that I’m not qualified to do anything else, that I don’t have skills that are transferable. And, you know, just doubling down on raising my kids, but also being very conscious of the fact that I was not making money. Carolyn Mahboubi 00:15:41 I was, for the first time in my life, not getting any kind of professional satisfaction. And so one day I was at my, son’s, cross country meet. Have you ever been to a cross country made for any of your three kids? Lisa Lewis 00:16:02 No I haven’t, no. Okay. They didn’t they didn’t run cross country. Carolyn Mahboubi 00:16:06 Okay. You’re lucky it’s some some version of hell. Okay. Because for a parent, in my opinion, you just stand there and your kid, who’s maybe in middle school or high school, runs by for two seconds, sees you and glares at you because they’re a teenager, and you’re thinking to yourself, why am I even here? Right? So that’s the state I was in. And then the meet was over and I, my son and I were having lunch and he said, mom, I didn’t see you. Where were you? I said, well, I was talking to Josh’s mom because she had a problem that she wanted to talk about. And really, Adam, I think that was more important than just waving at you for two seconds that, you know, you run by. Carolyn Mahboubi 00:16:52 And he said, yeah, mom, you’re really good at that. You’re you’re always like, helping others with those things. And I just looked at him and he was maybe ten years old. Lisa. And I said, yeah, I’m good at it. I wish I could make a living from it. And this boy, and this is what makes me think that there are these sort of spiritual, magical moments, looked at me and he said, but you can, mom. And I said, what are you talking about? And he said, you could be a coach, Lisa. I didn’t even know what a coach was. I’d never heard of it. And I knew that neither did my ten year old that he was channeling some kind of something, you know, like just looking at me with those big brown eyes with such conviction, giving me this message. I went home and I googled coach, professional coach. And that was actually the beginning of this journey, which was over a decade ago. Carolyn Mahboubi 00:17:53 And and that’s how I’ve created this second career in the second half of my life. Lisa Lewis 00:18:02 Well that’s amazing. I love that story. Oh my gosh, did you just give your son a big hug? Carolyn Mahboubi 00:18:11 Well, yeah, it took me. I mean, it was a journey, but I was I was confused, Lisa. I was like, what? What does he know that I don’t know? And, Yeah. And he never said it again. And he moved on with his life. But in that moment, he gave me a message that I needed to hear. Lisa Lewis 00:18:28 And you were open to listening. I hear that. Carolyn Mahboubi 00:18:32 Being open to listening is the the, the core competency that I had developed in in three decades of my old career and that I was unaware of. So while I was saying to myself, well, you know, your skills are not transferable, I, I was not seeing that the main skills and competencies, one of them being what I call forensic listening, really, really listening to my clients. Carolyn Mahboubi 00:19:05 Really, you know, not with not listening to respond, not listening to argue, not listening to sell. But really listening is a skill I had developed that has I think is is a major reason for my success in this second career. Lisa Lewis 00:19:24 Wow. So tell us how you use that, that, superpower of yours. Carolyn Mahboubi 00:19:31 I think that so many people, when they think of coaching, they think that, well, you know, you hire a coach and they tell you what to do. Somehow they’re smarter than you, more experienced, or, you know, they’ve gone to coaching school and they’re going to tell you what to do. And it could not be further from the truth. In my opinion, consultants tell you what to do. Really good coaches, coaches that are helping you create the kind of transformation that sticks, that is. That doesn’t disappear when you stop working with the coach. Those coaches know how to create a space, and they do that. A space that allows the clients higher teacher, not the coaches higher teacher or, you know, the coaches experience or the coaches advice, but the clients hire a teacher that truly knows. Carolyn Mahboubi 00:20:35 And you know, in my private moments, I call it the soul that allows the client’s soul to come into the room. Now the soul is very shy. If you run after it, if you yell at it, if you try to sell it something, if you have an agenda, the soul is not going to come into the room, and therefore you’re not going to benefit from what it has to say. The highest truth that you need to be aware of. So in order to do that, I listen. Really listen. And that alone, along with asking some powerful questions. That is enough. If you’re patient enough, that’s enough for the soul at some point to feel safe to walk into the container and And share its advice with you. Lisa Lewis 00:21:34 Is your soul talking to us right now? Carolyn Mahboubi 00:21:37 I think so. I think so, you know. it’s, it’s hard when you’re talking yourself like I’m doing, because there’s an element of, of like, oh my goodness, I really need to, you know, share something brilliant with Lisa and her audience in order to bring value. Carolyn Mahboubi 00:21:55 And that’s not a good, space for the soul. But you have to understand that I, I, I have been coached, you know, myself for decades. I’m breathing the coaching air constantly. Coaching is woven into my relationships with my children, not anyone else but my children because they asked for it. so my soul stays pretty close to me. And that’s why I feel confident saying, yes, I am having a soulful, authentic conversation with you. And I am aware that there’s some self-consciousness here and some, performative, you know, desires that don’t sit well with the soul. Lisa Lewis 00:22:42 I didn’t I didn’t feel that part. I, I felt like I could, I don’t know, I felt like your soul was talking to us. Like you’re channeling something like, this is the message that needs to be put out there for for people to hear. Carolyn Mahboubi 00:22:55 And I hope that people consider that when, when they think about, coaching, when they think about hiring a coach, you know, this is really a sacred profession. Carolyn Mahboubi 00:23:07 people are putting their it’s not that they’re putting their lives into your hands. I was going to say that, but that’s that’s not true. But people are inviting you into their deepest, most, the deepest part of their heart and and their soul and their mind. If, if they are really coming to coaching to make a change. you have to take that sacred duty very seriously. And if you rush in, like on galloping horses, telling people what to do, you’re not respecting the you’re not respecting the profession and you’re not respecting your client. And I’m sad to say many coaches do that. I, I was at an event the other day where, this coach walked up to me and said, oh, you know, I’m a coach, too. And, and she was kind of like trying to show me how great she is. And she had a couple of clients there, and she went up to one of her clients. She’s like, so did you do what I said after our conversation? You know, do I need to hold you accountable? And Lisa, I was like, I wanted to die. Carolyn Mahboubi 00:24:19 I just did. I was like, cringing so hard because what she was doing was all about her own ego. You know, even if we assume the client had given her permission, to, you know, in a public space to, to to say that she was her client. Even if we assume that still to be like, to put to treat your client like a child. I mean, I work with 18, 20 and 24 year olds, and I would never treat them like like a child like that. You have to honor people’s soul if you want to, to do work that is upstream work that is at the core of the, you know, to resolve the core issues, not just the surface symptoms. Lisa Lewis 00:25:11 Wow. Sounds like some powerful stuff that you do. I can feel it in your words and how you deliver. Can really feel it. Carolyn Mahboubi 00:25:22 Thank you Lisa. Lisa Lewis 00:25:23 Yeah. You’re welcome. I want to ask you. I want to hear your story. So I want to ask you, before we even started the interview, you started to tell me about how nature, I guess, transformed your life. Lisa Lewis 00:25:37 Or. Yeah. Did something can you share about that? Carolyn Mahboubi 00:25:41 Yeah. So the period of time I was talking about a few minutes ago, where in my, in my early 40s, I started to really crash professionally and feel like I had hit rock bottom. It was a simultaneous. It was professionally, but also physically, emotionally, spiritually. I started to have terrible back pain and just be a mess emotionally down, up, down. And I was like, what is wrong with me? I was this incredibly ambitious, you know, go, go, go successful executive. And within a year, I could barely run. Running was always my sport. I wasn’t running anymore. I was going from doctor to doctor for my back pain, and they were all like, if you keep running, you’re going to be in a wheelchair. You have to stop running. But Lisa, I noticed and I don’t know if you’ve had this experience. every doctor I went to told me something different. So if I went to a neurologist, it was a nerve problem. Carolyn Mahboubi 00:26:58 If I went to an orthopedic surgeon, I had spondylolisthesis. If I went to a foot doctor, it was because I had a high arch. I mean, it’s insane. You know, these days when you get into the medical system, because it’s so disjointed, it’s so inorganic, it’s so not holistic that you can really just go down a rabbit hole. And at some point I realized, you know what? I’m a mess and nobody knows why. And this, by the way, before I even had the words for it was the beginning of me taking radical responsibility for my life, you know, because everybody was at fault, you know, my job and the industry and friends and family and, myself, you know, everybody was at fault and starting to because I wanted to keep moving, but I couldn’t run anymore. And I’d always been running on, on the streets. I’m talking, I don’t know, like, not much, but, you know, 4 or 5, six miles, five days a week. Carolyn Mahboubi 00:28:08 Excuse me, something like that. And I thought, you know what? I’m just going to start walking on trails. And I was moving too fast in my life in the past to ever make regular time to go into nature. You know, it was always something I did. If I went on vacation, which I loved. I loved hiking, but it wasn’t part of my everyday life. So I started walking on trails, you know, 30 minute drive from my home and making that a priority. And soon I was able to run a little bit because the whole feeling of having my feet on dirt and being in nature and the quietness of it, it started to transform me. And, you know, my pain, it didn’t go away, but my my sense of my pain decreased in that I was like, okay, I can handle this, I can handle this. It’s as if nature had given me some protection between myself and my mind and my pain and my worries and my anxieties and my excuses. Carolyn Mahboubi 00:29:30 And as I spend more time in nature and remember, this was a time where I was in transition. I wasn’t working, I was, I was I had all these worries about what am I going to do next? But also I had all this free time all of a sudden. Right. So I started running a little bit, and then I started running uphill and downhill and I realized, oh, wow, this feels very different to my body, than just pounding the pavement and getting this done before I go to work, which was my mindset before. And a year later, I completed my first ultramarathon. I had never done even a marathon before, but I did my first 50 K and that was 13 years ago. And since then I’ve been running ultramarathons and all of my training, all of my, hiking, my running, my movement is out in nature. I’ve moved to the mountains. I still have a home in LA, because my youngest is still there, but I pretty much live in nature now and have completely crafted a life where even if I have 45 minutes in between sessions, I could just walk out my door and hike up a mountain. Lisa Lewis 00:30:58 I love that. Wow. Oh my gosh. You’re like you’re an athlete. Look at that. Wow. And I don’t. Carolyn Mahboubi 00:31:08 Know if I’m honest I don’t know if I don’t know if I would have been a coach and for that matter, an impactful coach if I wasn’t spending as much time as I do in nature. You know, I would say that I train anywhere from 25 to 35 hours a week, you know, 50, 60 miles out there. That’s not nothing when it’s just you. It’s just you and the mountain and the trees and the animals and all. Not 95%, but literally all of my insights, my thoughts of how to really serve my clients. You know, to their unique needs. you know, I have a weekly blog with, you know, a good, good number of people in my community. All of those ideas for the blogs, for the writing, for the clients, for my loved ones. How can I serve my children more powerfully? How can I be more present for my sister? For my mom? All of it comes to me in the mountains. Lisa Lewis 00:32:19 I have to say, nature does the same thing for me. I can resonate with everything you said. I used to be a trail runner, and now I just do more hiking. Yeah, I think I’m, a little bit older than you. I still like to run, but that’s when I go out for a hike, like I’m clearing. it’s like all that congestion in my head, my lungs, my body, and then I can, I can I can notice the shift. It’s like all of it. It’s gone. And then, like, I, I can see more clearly and I can think more clearly. It feels easier. I have a smile on my face, but it takes me a while to get there. And I guess it depends too, on, you know, what’s happened during the day or during the week to get that, that congestion, that discharge out of energy, that’s kind of built up. Carolyn Mahboubi 00:33:16 Yeah. I think something that helps is shorter, more frequent breaks into nature. Carolyn Mahboubi 00:33:23 So if we wait three days. Yeah, you’re right. It takes a while. You know, when I do that, my God, half an hour, 45 minutes is just chatter in my head, right? And like, still, my body’s in nature, but my mind is still, like solving and and advising and creating and arguing and just like, you know, chattering. Busy, busy, busy. and then after like 30 minutes, 40 minutes or so, I release and everything quiets down and I’m able to connect with the energy around me. But if I do it more consistently, let’s say, you know, three breaks. And I know I’m really fortunate in this way. Now, not everyone has this ability, but, you know, three small breaks where you go out for 20 minutes. that seems to be like a release valve for this, for the the insane chatter that can really build up. Lisa Lewis 00:34:32 Yeah, I agree, and that is so helpful to, have that time or give that time to yourself to, release that energy. Lisa Lewis 00:34:44 Whatever is happening inside your body, you don’t even have to know what it is. But it’s also just to think, like release that valve and so that you can show up better for yourself and for the other people around you and in your life. Yeah. So, Carolyn, what would you like listeners to take away from our conversation today? Carolyn Mahboubi 00:35:04 Well, our conversation has been far reaching, right? Lisa Lewis 00:35:08 Yes, it has been. Carolyn Mahboubi 00:35:11 So. So I would just say quite simply, you know, because mostly we talked about my life path. Just know that you can create a intentional, purposeful life no matter how old you are. I would have never guessed that, in my late 40s, early 50s, I would create a career from nothing. Really. From nothing that would become the most impactful, the most satisfying and the most prosperous career I’ve had to date. And, you know, there’s a way to do it for sure. There’s a system for doing it. But be be incredibly hopeful and inspired that it’s possible. Lisa Lewis 00:36:03 Yeah. I’d like to add to that that, you know, life doesn’t stop after age 50. It’s like a to me. It’s like, yeah, it’s the second half of your life. And it could be the the best part of your life. Carolyn Mahboubi 00:36:16 It has been for me. Lisa Lewis 00:36:18 Yeah. Me too. And do you have a free gift for my listeners? Carolyn Mahboubi 00:36:25 Yes. If you go to my website, which is Carolyn mabee.com, and I’m sure it’ll be in your show notes, there is a course there called the Life Vault Course, and I have a number of lessons as part of that course, and you can just download that for free and it will get you going on making at least the few, I think, important changes. And then you can take it from there. And then of course, there’s my blog. if you sign up, it comes directly to your to your inbox every Thursday. And my community finds that very helpful. Lisa Lewis 00:37:06 Oh well, thank you so much to check that out. Lisa Lewis 00:37:09 And it will be in the show notes. And where can listeners find you? Carolyn Mahboubi 00:37:14 I’m on Instagram, Carolyn Mabee coach, and on Facebook. And of course you can reach out to me directly through my website. Lisa Lewis 00:37:23 Okay. Thank you. And thank you so much for coming on the show today, sharing your insights, your personal experiences and how you, help people by coaching. Also how you’ve transformed your life with coaching. Carolyn Mahboubi 00:37:41 It was my pleasure, Lisa. Thank you. Lisa Lewis 00:37:44 And thank you, my listeners, for joining us on this insightful episode of Sensitive and Nature. I hope today’s conversation with Carolyn has sparked something in you, whether it’s a new perspective or a sense of empowerment. Carolyn’s emphasis on radical responsibility and her coaching style reminds us that we hold the power to transform our lives. And that shift begins with us. If you found today’s episode helpful, be sure to subscribe, share it with your friends, and leave a review. Stay tuned for more inspiring conversations that help you thrive in your sensitive nature. Lisa Lewis 00:38:27 Until next time, I’m Lisa Lewis reminding you to embrace your strength and keep growing. Bye for now. Thank you for joining me on this episode of Sensitive in Nature. I hope you found inspiration and solace in our exploration of the profound connection between highly sensitive people and the natural world. If you enjoy today’s episode, please consider subscribing, leaving a review, or sharing it with someone who might find comfort and insight into our discussions. Your support means the world to me. Remember, you can always connect with me on social media or visit my website, Sensitive nature.com for additional resources and updates. Let’s continue this conversation and build a community where sensitivity is celebrated and nature is cherished as the ultimate healer. Until next time, take a moment to breathe and embrace the beauty around you and know that you are not alone in this journey. Maine Nature always be your sanctuary. This podcast is designed to provide accurate and authoritative information in regards to this subject matter covered. It is given with the understanding that neither the host, the publisher or the guest are rendering legal, accounting, clinical or any other professional information. Lisa Lewis 00:39:59 If you want a professional, you should find one.